iMac 27" 2013 sehr langsam

[Snake566977]

Hallo Leute,

ich hab ein komisches Problem. Mein iMac mit der 1TB HDD war beim booten nie der schnellste, rannte aber immer nachdem er gestartet war. Ich hatte ihn früher täglich genutzt, und da ich mich beruflich verändert habe nutzte ich ihn sehr sehr lange nicht.

Mittlerweile dauert das laden auf der iMac eine Ewigkeit.

Sky Go braucht nach über 10min zum starten. Safari auch etwa 1min und die Spotlight suche nutze ich erst nach 10min, da die vorher auch nichts findet / macht.

Es lauft mittlerweile Mojave drauf, es kann sein, dass es mit den Vorgänger besser lief, kann mich aufgrund der Zeit nicht mehr so richtig erinnern.

Ich persönlich glaube das die HDD einen weg hat, aber laut Diagnose ist alles super. Habt ihr Tipps, was ich nun machen kann? oder welche Tests ich machen kann?

Es ist unglaublich frustrierend. Und ich verstehe das auch nicht, ich war so happy mit dem iMac aber irgendwie nimmt er mir die lange nicht Nutzung sehr sehr übel.

Edith sagt also Speed der HDD scheint grundsätzlich da zu sein.

‎Blackmagic Disk Speed Test

‎Disk Speed Test is an easy to use tool to quickly measure and certify your disk performance for working with high quality video! Simply click the start button and Disk Speed Test will write test your disk using large blocks of data, and then display the result. Disk Speed Test will continue to...

apps.apple.com

92MB schreiben / 106 Lesen kann die Platte.

Was ich außerdem sehr komisch finde, das ein Kumpel von mir mit genau den gleichen Mac das gleiche Problem hat, der ist noch auf High Sierra, und auch sein iMac war länge Zeit ohne Nutzung.

 

[Wuchtbrumme]

lass doch mal EtreCheck laufen und poste hier den Bericht

 

[dg2rbf]

Hi,
aber bitte nach dieser Anleitung Posten,

 

[YoshuaThree]

EtreCheck erst mal gute Idee - man muss aber auch einfach sagen, dass die verbauten iMac HDDs mit 5400U/min und den miserablen Raten eine der langsamsten auf dem Markt sind...

 

[dg2rbf]

Hi,
eine HDD ist in einem Desktoprechner total veraltete Technik, würde eine SSD einbauen, oder das System auf eine externe SSD installieren.
Franz

 

[Snake566977]

EtreCheck version: 5.6.2 (5220)

Report generated: 2020-10-24 16:00:35

Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com

Runtime: 7:32

Performance: Below Average

Sandbox: Enabled

Full drive access: Disabled


Problem: Computer is too slow

Description:

plötzlich sehr langsam.


Major Issues:
Anything that appears on this list needs immediate attention.


No Time Machine backup - Time Machine backup not found.


Minor Issues:
These issues do not need immediate attention but they may indicate future problems or opportunities for improvement.


Unsigned files - There are unsigned software files installed. Apple has said that unsigned software will not run by default in a future version of the operating system.

Low performance - EtreCheck report took an unusually long time to run.

32-bit Apps - This computer has 32-bits apps will not work on current versions of the operating system.

Limited drive access - More information may be available with Full Drive Access.


Hardware Information:
iMac (27-inch, Late 2013)
iMac Model: iMac14,2
3,2 GHz Intel Core i5 (i5-4570) CPU: 4-core
8 GB RAM - Upgradeable
BANK 0/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR3 1600
BANK 1/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR3 1600
BANK 0/DIMM1 - Empty
BANK 1/DIMM1 - Empty

Video Information:
NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M - VRAM: 1 GB
iMac 2560 x 1440

Drives:
disk0 - APPLE HDD ST1000DM003 1.00 TB (Mechanical - 7200 RPM)
Internal SATA 3 Gigabit Serial ATA
disk0s1 - EFI (MS-DOS FAT32) [EFI] 210 MB
disk0s2 [APFS Container] 909.00 GB
disk1 [APFS Virtual drive] 909.00 GB (Shared by 4 volumes)
disk1s1 - Macintosh HD (APFS) (Shared - 98.78 GB used)
disk1s2 - Preboot (APFS) [APFS Preboot] (Shared)
disk1s3 - Recovery (APFS) [Recovery] (Shared)
disk1s4 - VM (APFS) [APFS VM] (Shared - 1.07 GB used)
disk0s3 - B******P (MS-DOS FAT12) 91.00 GB (53.04 GB used)

Mounted Volumes:
disk0s3 - B******P
91.00 GB (53.04 GB used, 37.44 GB free)
MS-DOS FAT12
Mount point: /Volumes/B******P
disk1s1 - Macintosh HD
909.00 GB (Shared - 98.78 GB used, 809.31 GB available, 808.39 GB free)
APFS
Mount point: /
disk1s4 - VM [APFS VM]
909.00 GB (Shared - 1.07 GB used, 808.39 GB free)
APFS
Mount point: /private/var/vm

Network:
Interface en0: Ethernet
Interface en1: Wi-Fi
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
Interface en4: Bluetooth PAN
Interface bridge0: Thunderbolt Bridge

System Software:
macOS Mojave 10.14.6 (18G6032)
Time since boot: About an hour

Configuration Files:
/etc/hosts - Count: 4

Notifications:
Notifications not available without Full Drive Access.

Security:
Gatekeeper: Enabled

System Integrity Protection: Enabled


Antivirus software: Apple


Unsigned Files:
Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.valvesoftware.steamclean.plist
Executable: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/steamclean Public
Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/org.macosforge.xquartz.startx.plist
Executable: /opt/X11/lib/X11/xinit/launchd_startx /opt/X11/bin/startx -- /opt/X11/bin/Xquartz
Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist
Executable: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/OOBE/PDApp/UWA/UpdaterStartupUtility -mode
Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.adobe.ARM.***.plist
Executable: /Applications/Adobe Acrobat X Pro/Adobe Acrobat Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Updater/Adobe Acrobat Updater Helper.app/Contents/MacOS/Adobe Acrobat Updater Helper
Details: Close match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/org.macosforge.xquartz.privileged_startx.plist
Executable: /opt/X11/lib/X11/xinit/privileged_startx -d /opt/X11/lib/X11/xinit/privileged_startx.d
Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist
Executable: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/OOBE/PDApp/UWA/UpdaterStartupUtility -mode=logon
Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist
Executable: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/SwitchBoard/SwitchBoard.app/Contents/MacOS/launch.switchboard
Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK
Running app: /Applications/Utilities/Adobe Application Manager/UWA/AAM Updates Notifier.app/Contents/MacOS/AAM Updates Notifier
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobeExManDetect.plugin
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobeAAMDetect.plugin
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin/Flash Player.plugin/Contents/PlugIns/FlashPlayer-10.6.plugin
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobePDFViewerNPAPI.plugin
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobePDFViewer.plugin
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin/Flash Player.plugin
Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Silverlight.plugin
Apps: 25

32-bit Applications:
44 32-bit apps

System Launch Agents:
[Not Loaded] 16 Apple tasks

[Loaded] 179 Apple tasks

[Running] 105 Apple tasks


System Launch Daemons:
[Not Loaded] 38 Apple tasks

[Loaded] 194 Apple tasks

[Running] 104 Apple tasks


Launch Agents:
[Not Loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist (? ffb65062 - installed 2015-09-02)

[Running] com.adobe.GC.AGM.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2020-09-26)

[Not Loaded] com.adobe.GC.Invoker-1.0.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2020-09-26)

[Loaded] com.paragon.updater.plist (Paragon Software GmbH - installed 2015-10-23)

[Not Loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist (TeamViewer GmbH - installed 2019-11-25)

[Not Loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist (TeamViewer GmbH - installed 2019-11-25)

[Loaded] org.macosforge.xquartz.startx.plist (? d225a7da - installed 2014-08-12)


Launch Daemons:
[Loaded] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist (? 856489a3 - installed 2014-12-23)

[Loaded] com.adobe.agsservice.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2020-09-26)

[Other] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist (Adobe Inc. - installed 2020-08-25)

[Not Loaded] com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing.plist (Apple - installed 2020-09-10)

[Loaded] com.teamviewer.Helper.plist (TeamViewer GmbH - installed 2019-11-25)

[Not Loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist (TeamViewer GmbH - installed 2019-11-25)

[Loaded] org.macosforge.xquartz.privileged_startx.plist (? 65395f14 - installed 2014-08-12)


User Launch Agents:
[Loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist (? 0 - installed 2014-12-23)

[Loaded] com.adobe.ARM.***.plist (? 0 - installed 2015-03-02)

[Loaded] com.adobe.GC.Invoker-1.0.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2018-03-09)

[Loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist (Google, Inc. - installed 2020-10-24)

[Loaded] com.google.keystone.xpcservice.plist (Google, Inc. - installed 2020-10-24)

[Loaded] com.valvesoftware.steamclean.plist (? 0 - installed 2017-02-17)


User Login Items:
[Running] PhotoStreamAgent (App Store - installed 2015-10-25)
Modern Login Item
/Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/PhotoStreamAgent.app
[Not Loaded] HP Device Monitor (6HB5Y2QTA3 - installed 2018-06-03)
Modern Login Item
/Library/Printers/hp/Frameworks/HPDeviceMonitoring.framework/Versions/1.0/Helpers/HP Device Monitor Manager.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/HP Device Monitor.app
[Not Loaded] HP Product Research (6HB5Y2QTA3 - installed 2018-06-03)
Modern Login Item
/Library/Printers/hp/Utilities/HPPU Plugins/ProductImprovementStudy.hptask/Contents/Helpers/HP Product Research Manager.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/HP Product Research.app

Internet Plug-ins:
AdobeExManDetect: AdobeExManDetect 1.1.0.0 (? - installed 2014-12-23)
AdobeAAMDetect: AdobeAAMDetect 1.0.0.0 (? - installed 2015-09-02)
FlashPlayer-10.6: 32.0.0.433 (? - installed 2020-09-26)
AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: 10.1.16 (? - installed 2015-10-29)
AdobePDFViewer: 10.1.16 (? - installed 2015-10-29)
Flash Player: 32.0.0.433 (? - installed 2020-09-26)
Silverlight: 5.1.50901.0 (? - installed 2017-01-29)

User Internet Plug-ins:
User Internet Plug-ins need Full Drive Access

Audio Plug-ins:
AppleTimeSyncAudioClock: 1.0 (Apple - installed 2019-07-23)
BluetoothAudioPlugIn: 6.0.14 (Apple - installed 2020-09-26)
AirPlay: 2.0 (Apple - installed 2020-09-26)
AppleAVBAudio: 760.6 (Apple - installed 2019-07-23)
BridgeAudioSP: 5.52 (Apple - installed 2020-09-26)
iSightAudio: 7.7.3 (Apple - installed 2019-07-23)

User Audio Plug-ins:
User Audio Plug-ins need Full Drive Access

User iTunes Plug-ins:
User iTunes Plug-ins need Full Drive Access

3rd Party Preference Panes:
Flash Player (Adobe Inc. - installed 2020-08-25)

Backup:
Time Machine Not Configured!

Performance:
System Load: 1.84 (1 min ago) 1.84 (5 min ago) 1.81 (15 min ago)
Nominal I/O speed: 6.08 MB/s
File system: 59.25 seconds
Write speed: 105 MB/s
Read speed: 139 MB/s

CPU Usage Snapshot:
Type Overall

System: 5 %

User: 9 %

Idle: 86 %


Top Processes Snapshot by CPU:
Process (count) CPU (Source - Location)

Sky Go 28.94 % (? - ~/Applications/Sky Go.app)

Other processes 20.81 % (?)

EtreCheck 5.21 % (App Store)

Activity Monitor 0.06 % (Apple)

SystemUIServer 0.05 % (Apple)


Top Processes Snapshot by Memory:
Process (count) RAM usage (Source - Location)

Sky Go 320 MB (? - ~/Applications/Sky Go.app)

EtreCheck 257 MB (App Store)

Safari 134 MB (Apple)

accountsd 67 MB (Apple)

Spotlight 64 MB (Apple)


Top Processes Snapshot by Network Use:
Process Input / Output (Source - Location)

Other processes 17 MB / 2 MB (?)

SystemUIServer 0 B / 216 B (Apple)

spindump_agent 0 B / 0 B (Apple)

backgroundtaskmanagementagent 0 B / 0 B (Apple)

mediaremoteagent 0 B / 0 B (Apple)


Virtual Memory Information:
Physical RAM: 8 GB


Free RAM: 348 MB

Used RAM: 6.41 GB

Cached files: 1.25 GB


Available RAM: 1.59 GB

Swap Used: 458 MB


Software Installs (past 30 days):
Install Date Name (Version)

2020-09-26 Safari (14.0)

2020-09-26 Sicherheitsupdate 2020-005 (10.14.6)

2020-09-26 Adobe Flash Player

2020-09-27 GarageBand (10.3.2)

2020-09-27 XProtectPlistConfigData (2131)

2020-09-27 MRTConfigData (1.66)

2020-10-24 Disk Speed Test (3.2)

2020-10-24 EtreCheck (5.6.2)


Diagnostics Information (past 7-30 days):
Directory /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is not accessible.
Enable Full Drive Access to see more information.

End of report


@dg2rbf
Da hast du absolut Recht, ist doch aber kein Grund das der iMac nur noch 5% von seinen 100% liefert. Das die 100% eines iMac mit HDD in SSD gerechnet bei nur 60% liegt ist klar.

Aber der Mac ist so langsam als wäre die HDD tot und ich würde recovern mit einer Software. Nur das alles auf i.O. steht.

 

[dg2rbf]

Hi,
bis auf den Adobe Flashplayer ist kein Software Problem ersichtlicht, tippe auf ein Hardware Problem, eventuell ist die HDD defekt, DriveDX tryout runterladen und die HDD damit testen und das Ergebniss hier Posten.
Franz

 

[Snake566977]

Es ist einfach unglaublich. Alles Grün, Alles i.O.

Klingt nach 1 Tag Time Machine Backup dann Clean Install und hoffe das alles besser ist. Hardware defekt scheint ja einfach nicht da zu sein.

### SYSTEM INFORMATION ###
Report Timestamp : 24. Oktober 2020 16:20:34 MESZ
Report Timestamp (ISO 8601 format) : 2020-10-24T16:20:34

Application Name : DriveDx
Application Version : 1.9.1.670
Application SubBuild : 0
Application Edition : Standalone
Application Website : https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx
DriveDx Knowledge Base Revision : 11/11

Computer Name : Michaels iMac
Host Name : Michaels-iMac
Computer Model : iMac14,2

OS Boot Time : 2020-10-24T14:28:24
Time Since Boot : 01h 52m 10s
OS Name : macOS
OS Version : 10.14.6
OS Build : 18G6032
OS Kernel Version : Darwin 18.7.0

SAT SMART Driver Version : N/A
ATA Command Support Tolerance : verypermissive
N of drives with S.M.A.R.T support : 1



### DRIVE 1 OF 1 ###
Last Checked : 24. Oktober 2020 16:18:35 MESZ
Last Checked (ISO 8601 format) : 2020-10-24T16:18:35

Advanced SMART Status : OK
Overall Health Rating : GOOD 100%
Overall Performance Rating : GOOD 100%
Issues found : 0

Serial Number : S4Y13PQR
WWN Id : 5 000c50 07595c8c8
Volumes : Macintosh HD, BOOTCAMP
Device Path : /dev/disk0
Total Capacity : 1.0 TB (1.000.204.886.016 Bytes)
Model Family : Apple (Seagate-based) HDDs
Model : APPLE HDD ST1000DM003
Form Factor : 3.5 inches
Firmware Version : AP14
Drive Type : HDD 7200 rpm

Power On Time : 1.038 hours (1 months 13 days 6 hours)
Power Cycles Count : 850
Current Power Cycle Time : 1.9 hours



=== DEVICE CAPABILITIES ===
S.M.A.R.T. support enabled : yes
DriveDx Active Diagnostic Config : Apple (Seagate-based) HDDs config [hdd.seagate.apple]
Sector Logical Size : 512
Sector Physical Size : 4096
Physical Interconnect : SATA
Logical Protocol : SATA
Removable : no
Ejectable : no
ATA Version : ACS-2, ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 3b
SATA Version : SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Bay # : 1
I/O Path : IOService:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/SATA@1F,2/AppleIntelPchSeriesAHCI/PRT0@0/IOAHCIDevice@0/AppleAHCIDiskDriver/IOAHCIBlockStorageDevice
Attributes Data Structure Revision : 10
SMART Command Transport (SCT) flags : 0x10bd
SCT Status supported : yes
SCT Feature Control supported : yes
SCT Data Table supported : yes
Error logging capabilities : 0x1
Self-tests supported : yes
Offline Data Collection capabilities : 0x73
Offline Data Collection status : 0x0
Auto Offline Data Collection flags : 0x0
[Known device ]: yes
[Drive State Flags ]: 0x0


=== CURRENT POWER CYCLE STATISTICS ===
Data Read : 28.0 GB
Data Written : 11.6 GB
Data Read/Write Ratio : 2.41
Average Throughput (Read) : 972.6 KB/s
Average Throughput (Write) : 2.3 MB/s

Operations (Read) : 1.124.118
Operations (Write) : 339.188
Operations Read/Write Ratio : 3
Throughput per operation (Read) : 26.1 KB/Op
Throughput per operation (Write) : 36.0 KB/Op

Latency Time (Read) : 0 ns
Latency Time (Write) : 0 ns
Retries (Read) : 0
Retries (Write) : 0
Errors (Read) : 0
Errors (Write) : 0


=== PROBLEMS SUMMARY ===
Failed Indicators (life-span / pre-fail) : 0 (0 / 0)
Failing Indicators (life-span / pre-fail) : 0 (0 / 0)
Warnings (life-span / pre-fail) : 0 (0 / 0)
Recently failed Self-tests (Short / Full) : 0 (0 / 0)
I/O Error Count : 0 (0 / 0)
Time in Under temperature : 0 minutes
Time in Over temperature : 0 minutes


=== IMPORTANT HEALTH INDICATORS ===
ID NAME RAW VALUE STATUS
5 Reallocated Sector Count 0 100% OK
187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors 0 100% OK
197 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100% OK
198 Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100% OK
199 UDMA CRC Error Count 0 100% OK
241 Total LBAs Written 6.833.341.102 (3.2 TB) 100% OK


=== TEMPERATURE INFORMATION (CELSIUS) ===
Current Temperature : 43
Power Cycle Min Temperature : 19
Power Cycle Max Temperature : 44
Lifetime Min Temperature : 13
Lifetime Max Temperature : 51
Recommended Min Temperature : 3
Recommended Max Temperature : 62
Temperature Min Limit : 0
Temperature Max Limit : 65


=== DRIVE HEALTH INDICATORS ===
ID | NAME | TYPE | UPDATE | RAW VALUE | VALUE | THRESHOLD | WORST | LAST MODIFIED | STATUS
1 Raw Read Error Rate Pre-fail online 0x3BF9318 114 6 99 - 100% OK
3 Spin Up Time Pre-fail online 0 98 0 97 - 98.0% OK
4 Start Stop Count Life-span online 732 100 20 100 - 100% OK
5 Reallocated Sector Count Pre-fail online 0 100 36 100 - 100% OK
7 Seek Error Rate Pre-fail online 0x30A8890 77 30 60 - 100% OK
9 Power On Hours Life-span online 1.038 99 0 99 - 99.0% OK
10 Spin Retry Count Pre-fail online 0 100 97 100 - 100% OK
12 Power Cycle Count Life-span online 850 100 20 100 - 100% OK
184 End-to-End Error Life-span online 0 100 99 100 - 100% OK
187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
188 Command Timeout Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
189 High Fly Writes Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
190 Airflow Temperature Celsius Life-span online 43 57 45 49 - 21.8% OK
191 G-Sense Error Rate Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
192 Power-Off Retract Count Life-span online 128 100 0 100 - 100% OK
193 Load Cycle Count Life-span online 852 100 0 100 - 100% OK
194 Temperature (Celsius) Life-span online 43 57 35 49 - 33.8% OK
197 Current Pending Sector Count Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
198 Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count Life-span offline 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
199 UDMA CRC Error Count Life-span online 0 200 0 200 - 100% OK
240 Head Flying Hours Life-span offline 1.085 100 0 253 - 100% OK
241 Total LBAs Written Life-span offline 6.833.341.102 (3.2 TB) 100 0 253 - 100% OK
242 Total LBAs Read Life-span offline 221.893.566.709 (103.3 TB) 100 0 253 - 100% OK



=== DRIVE ERROR LOG ===
error log is empty


=== DRIVE SELF-TEST LOG ===
# | LIFETIME (H) | TEST TYPE | PROGRESS | STATUS | LBA of 1st error
1 1038 Short offline 100% Completed without error -

 

[Wuchtbrumme]

EtreCheck hat selbst bemerkt, dass das System langsam ist. So weit, so schlecht. Dazu kommt - mir ist nicht wirklich klar, woran das liegen könnte. Übliches Problem, Du schriebst es, ist die Festplatte, aber die sieht zumindest oberflächlich von den Transferraten gut aus.

Man könnte
-vollen Laufwerkszugriff für EtreCheck in Einstellungen/Sicherheit/Datenschutz geben und den Report erstellen
-SMART-Attribute auslesen und posten
-die Software neu installieren, sauber

 

[dg2rbf]

Hi,
ab HighSierra sind die Apple Systeme für SSDs Optimiert, da gehört eine SSD rein, oder extern auf ne SSD Installiert.
Franz

 

[Wuchtbrumme]

SATA Version : SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)

das ist das einzige, was mir auffällt. Muss nichts heißen und es sollte auch nicht schlimm sein, aber eigentlich sollten seit etlichen Jahren schon alle Festplatten auch mit SATA3 (6GBit/s) laufen. Wobei auch wieder keine Ultra DMA CRC Fehler zu finden sind.

Hi,
ab HighSierra sind die Apple Systeme für SSDs Optimiert, da gehört eine SSD rein, oder extern auf ne SSD Installiert.
Franz

das ist in der Tat die einzige Hypothese, die ich habe:
Der freie Speicher wird von macOS selbst verwaltet und dazu ist ein eingeschaltetes Time Machine notwendig. Und ein APFS, das nicht gut in dem Sinne verwaltet ist, kann auf elektromechanischen Festplatten sehr langsam werden.

Ich würde empfehlen, ein neues macOS sauber zu installieren. Idealerweise die bisherige Festplatte löschend. Und danach bitte, falls das half, Time Machine anschalten - das sollte man ohnehin.

 

[dg2rbf]

Hi,
das current 3.0 Gb/s sagt eigentlich alles aus, das ist nicht normal.
Franz

 

[Snake566977]

Anbei mal die Berichte vom Kumpel mit quasi baugleichen Gerät.

EtreCheck version: 5.6.2 (5220)

Report generated: 2020-10-24 16:26:10

Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com

Runtime: 3:45

Performance: Good

Sandbox: Enabled

Full drive access: Disabled



Problem: Computer is too slow



Major Issues:

Anything that appears on this list needs immediate attention.

Runaway process - A process is using a large percentage of your CPU.



Minor Issues:

These issues do not need immediate attention but they may indicate future problems or opportunities for improvement.

Unsigned files - There are unsigned software files installed. Apple has said that unsigned software will not run by default in a future version of the operating system.

System modifications - There are a large number of system modifications running in the background.

32-bit Apps - This computer has 32-bits apps will not work on current versions of the operating system.

Limited drive access - More information may be available with Full Drive Access.

Kernel extensions present - This computer has kernel extensions that may not work in the future.



Hardware Information:

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013)

iMac Model: iMac14,2

3,2 GHz Intel Core i5 (i5-4570) CPU: 4-core

8 RAM - Upgradeable

BANK 0/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR3 1600

BANK 1/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR3 1600

BANK 0/DIMM1 - Empty

BANK 1/DIMM1 - Empty



Video Information:

NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M - VRAM: 1024 MB

iMac 2560 x 1440



Drives:

disk0 - APPLE HDD ST1000DM003 1.00 TB (Mechanical - 7200 RPM)

Internal SATA 3 Gigabit Serial ATA

disk0s1 - EFI (MS-DOS FAT32) [EFI] 210 MB

disk0s2 [Core Storage Container] 999.35 GB

disk1 - Macintosh HD (Journaled HFS+) 999.01 GB (112.42 GB used)

disk0s3 - Recovery HD (Journaled HFS+) [Recovery] 650 MB



Mounted Volumes:

disk1 - Macintosh HD

999.01 GB (112.42 GB used, 892.26 GB available, 886.33 GB free)

Journaled HFS+

Mount point: /



Network:

Interface Bluetooth-Modem: Bluetooth DUN

Interface en0: Ethernet

Interface en1: Wi-Fi

802.11 a/b/g/n/ac

Interface en4: Bluetooth PAN

Interface bridge0: Thunderbolt Bridge



System Software:

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6 (17G14033)

Time since boot: Less than an hour



Configuration Files:

/etc/hosts - Count: 57



Notifications:

Notifications not available without Full Drive Access.



Security:

Gatekeeper: Enabled

System Integrity Protection: Enabled



Antivirus software: Apple and Intego



Unsigned Files:

Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist

Executable: /Applications/TeamViewer.app/Contents/Helpers/TeamViewer_Desktop -RunAsAgent YES -Module Full

Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK



Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.teamviewer.Helper.plist

Executable: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.teamviewer.Helper

Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK



Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist

Executable: /Applications/TeamViewer.app/Contents/MacOS/TeamViewer -RunAsAgent YES

Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK



Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist

Executable: /Applications/TeamViewer.app/Contents/MacOS/TeamViewer_Service -Module Full

Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK



Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist

Executable: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/OOBE/PDApp/UWA/UpdaterStartupUtility -mode=logon

Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK



Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist

Executable: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/SwitchBoard/SwitchBoard.app/Contents/MacOS/launch.switchboard

Details: Exact match found in the legitimate list - probably OK



Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobePDFViewer.plugin

Plugin: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Silverlight.plugin



Preference Pane: /Library/PreferencePanes/OSXFUSE.prefPane

Preference Pane: /Library/PreferencePanes/MacFUSE.prefPane

Preference Pane: /Library/PreferencePanes/NTFS-3G.prefPane



Apps: 25



32-bit Applications:

48 32-bit apps



Kernel Extensions:

/Applications/Parallels Desktop.app

prl_hypervisor.kext (10.1.2 28859 - SDK 10.7)

prl_netbridge.kext (10.1.2 28859 - SDK 10.7)

prl_usb_connect.kext (10.1.2 28859 - SDK 10.7)

prl_vnic.kext (10.1.2 28859 - SDK 10.7)



/Applications/Toast 12 Titanium/Toast Titanium.app

TDIXController.kext (2.0)



/Library/Extensions

LittleSnitch.kext (3.8.2 - SDK 10.11)

quantum_driver.kext (1.28.0 - SDK 10.11)



System Launch Agents:

[Not Loaded] 15 Apple tasks

[Loaded] 166 Apple tasks

[Running] 113 Apple tasks



System Launch Daemons:

[Not Loaded] 38 Apple tasks

[Loaded] 183 Apple tasks

[Running] 114 Apple tasks

[Other] One Apple task



Launch Agents:

[Running] at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist (Objective Development Software GmbH - installed 2017-12-10)

[Not Loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist (? ffb65062 - installed 2015-02-04)

[Loaded] com.intego.commonservices.integomenu.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-19)

[Loaded] com.intego.commonservices.taskmanager.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-19)

[Loaded] com.intego.commonservices.uninstaller.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-19)

[Running] com.intego.netupdate.agent.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-21)

[Running] com.intego.virusbarrier.alert.plist (INTEGO - installed 2014-10-13)

[Not Loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist (? aa311aa9 - installed 2015-09-09)

[Not Loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist (? d4765397 - installed 2015-09-09)



Launch Daemons:

[Running] at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist (Objective Development Software GmbH - installed 2017-12-10)

[Loaded] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist (? 68cad67 - installed 2015-02-04)

[Running] com.intego.commonservices.daemon.integod.plist (INTEGO - installed 2016-06-07)

[Running] com.intego.commonservices.daemon.taskmanager.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-19)

[Loaded] com.intego.commonservices.icalserver.plist (INTEGO - installed 2016-06-07)

[Loaded] com.intego.commonservices.metrics.kschecker.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-19)

[Running] com.intego.netupdate.daemon.plist (INTEGO - installed 2017-09-21)

[Loaded] com.intego.virusbarrier.daemon.emlparser.plist (INTEGO - installed 2014-10-13)

[Loaded] com.intego.virusbarrier.daemon.logger.plist (INTEGO - installed 2014-10-13)

[Running] com.intego.virusbarrier.daemon.plist (INTEGO - installed 2014-10-13)

[Loaded] com.intego.virusbarrier.daemon.scanner.plist (INTEGO - installed 2014-10-13)

[Loaded] com.plugin-alliance.pa-installationhelper.plist (Brainworx Music & Media GmbH Germany - installed 2020-10-03)

[Running] com.presonus.ucdaemon.plist (PreSonus Software Limited - installed 2020-07-03)

[Loaded] com.teamviewer.Helper.plist (? 7ca2e004 - installed 2015-11-04)

[Not Loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist (? b485a599 - installed 2015-09-09)



User Login Items:

[Loaded] MenuTabHelper (App Store - installed 2017-12-09)

Modern Login Item

/Applications/MenuTab for Facebook.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/MenuTabHelper.app



[Not Loaded] WeatherWidgetFreeHelper (App Store - installed 2020-10-03)

Modern Login Item

/Applications/Weather Widget free.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/WeatherWidgetFreeHelper.app



[Not Loaded] LaunchAtLoginHelper (Romans Kisils - installed 2020-06-24)

Modern Login Item

/Applications/eqMac.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/LaunchAtLoginHelper.app



[Not Loaded] PhotoStreamAgent (App Store - installed 2038-01-19)

Modern Login Item

/Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/PhotoStreamAgent.app



[Not Loaded] HP Device Monitor (HP Inc. - installed 2017-12-09)

Modern Login Item

/Library/Printers/hp/Frameworks/HPDeviceMonitoring.framework/Versions/1.0/Helpers/HP Device Monitor Manager.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/HP Device Monitor.app



[Not Loaded] HP Product Research (HP Inc. - installed 2017-12-09)

Modern Login Item

/Library/Printers/hp/Utilities/HPPU Plugins/ProductImprovementStudy.hptask/Contents/Helpers/HP Product Research Manager.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/HP Product Research.app



Internet Plug-ins:

AdobePDFViewer: 10.1.1 (? - installed 2015-02-04)

Silverlight: 5.1.30514.0 (? - installed 2015-05-06)



User Internet Plug-ins:

User Internet Plug-ins need Full Drive Access



Audio Plug-ins:

AppleTimeSyncAudioClock: 1.0 (Apple - installed 2020-09-29)

iSightAudio: 7.7.3 (Apple - installed 2020-09-29)

BridgeAudioSP: 4.69.2 (Apple - installed 2020-09-29)

eqMac: 1.1.1 (Romans Kisils - installed 2020-10-03)

AppleAVBAudio: 683.1 (Apple - installed 2020-09-29)

quantum_audio_plug_in: 1.28.0 (PreSonus Software Limited - installed 2020-07-03)

BluetoothAudioPlugIn: 6.0.7 (Apple - installed 2020-09-29)

AirPlay: 2.0 (Apple - installed 2020-09-29)



User Audio Plug-ins:

User Audio Plug-ins need Full Drive Access



User iTunes Plug-ins:

User iTunes Plug-ins need Full Drive Access



3rd Party Preference Panes:

FUSE for OS X (OSXFUSE) (? - installed 2015-01-08)

MacFUSE (? - installed 2008-12-19)

NTFS-3G (? - installed 2010-10-11)



Backup:

Time Machine information not available without Full Drive Access.



Performance:

System Load: 3.02 (1 min ago) 2.77 (5 min ago) 1.33 (15 min ago)

Nominal I/O speed: 12.09 MB/s

File system: 46.38 seconds

Write speed: 75 MB/s

Read speed: 105 MB/s



CPU Usage Snapshot:

Type Overall

System: 13 %

User: 33 %

Idle: 54 %



Top Processes Snapshot by CPU:

Process (count) CPU (Source - Location)

Other processes 117.76 % (?)

photoanalysisd 25.89 % (Apple)

trustd 13.95 % (Apple)

helpd 8.94 % (Apple)

EtreCheck 4.20 % (App Store)



Top Processes Snapshot by Memory:

Process (count) RAM usage (Source - Location)

EtreCheck 503 MB (App Store)

photoanalysisd 178 MB (Apple)

MenuTab for Facebook 105 MB (App Store)

assistant_service 69 MB (Apple)

helpd 64 MB (Apple)



Top Processes Snapshot by Network Use:

Process (count) Input / Output (Source - Location)

Other processes 4 MB / 116 KB (?)

com.apple.WebKit.Networking 4 MB / 116 KB (Apple)

Mail 61 KB / 8 KB (Apple)

Safari 13 KB / 2 KB (Apple)

com.apple.WebKit.Networking 185 B / 365 B (Apple)



Virtual Memory Information:

Physical RAM: 8 GB



Free RAM: 1.59 GB

Used RAM: 3.19 GB

Cached files: 3.22 GB



Available RAM: 4.81 GB

Swap Used: 0 B



Software Installs (past 30 days):

Install Date Name (Version)

2020-09-29 The Unarchiver (4.2.2)

2020-09-29 iTunes Device Support Update ( )

2020-09-29 iTunes (12.8.2)

2020-09-29 macOS High Sierra 10.13.6-Update ( )

2020-09-29 Gatekeeper Configuration Data (181)

2020-09-29 CompatibilityNotificationData (1.0.5)

2020-09-29 macOS Installer Notification (2.0)

2020-09-29 Safari (13.1.2)

2020-09-29 Sicherheitsupdate 2020-005 (10.13.6)

2020-09-29 GarageBand (10.3.2)

2020-10-03 PreSonus Universal Control (3.3.0)

2020-10-03 Voice Update - Helena (1.3.1)

2020-10-03 Wetter Widget (3.6.1)

2020-10-07 macOS Mojave (10.14.6)

2020-10-09 Bubble Shooter 60 (1.0)

2020-10-09 Mahjong Solitaire Epic (2.4.5)

2020-10-12 MRTConfigData (1.67)

2020-10-24 XProtectPlistConfigData (2133)

2020-10-24 EtreCheck (5.6.2)



Diagnostics Information (past 7-30 days):

Directory /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is not accessible.

Enable Full Drive Access to see more information.



End of report


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### SYSTEM INFORMATION ###
Report Timestamp : 24. Oktober 2020 16:41:11 MESZ
Report Timestamp (ISO 8601 format) : 2020-10-24T16:41:11

Application Name : DriveDx
Application Version : 1.9.1.670
Application SubBuild : 0
Application Edition : Standalone
Application Website : https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx
DriveDx Knowledge Base Revision : 11/11

Computer Name : Davids iMac
Host Name : Davids-iMac
Computer Model : iMac14,2

OS Boot Time : 2020-10-24T16:17:51
Time Since Boot : 00h 23m 20s
OS Name : macOS
OS Version : 10.13.6
OS Build : 17G14033
OS Kernel Version : Darwin 17.7.0

SAT SMART Driver Version : N/A
ATA Command Support Tolerance : verypermissive
N of drives with S.M.A.R.T support : 1



### DRIVE 1 OF 1 ###
Last Checked : 24. Oktober 2020 16:35:52 MESZ
Last Checked (ISO 8601 format) : 2020-10-24T16:35:52

Advanced SMART Status : OK
Overall Health Rating : GOOD 100%
Overall Performance Rating : GOOD 100%
Issues found : 0

Serial Number : S4Y1C3DB
WWN Id : 5 000c50 07fa1544f
Volumes : Macintosh HD
Device Path : /dev/disk0
Total Capacity : 1.0 TB (1.000.204.886.016 Bytes)
Model Family : Apple (Seagate-based) HDDs
Model : APPLE HDD ST1000DM003
Form Factor : 3.5 inches
Firmware Version : AP14
Drive Type : HDD 7200 rpm

Power On Time : 66 hours (2 days 18 hours)
Power Cycles Count : 555
Current Power Cycle Time : 0.4 hours



=== DEVICE CAPABILITIES ===
S.M.A.R.T. support enabled : yes
DriveDx Active Diagnostic Config : Apple (Seagate-based) HDDs config [hdd.seagate.apple]
Sector Logical Size : 512
Sector Physical Size : 4096
Physical Interconnect : SATA
Logical Protocol : SATA
Removable : no
Ejectable : no
ATA Version : ACS-2, ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 3b
SATA Version : SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Bay # : 1
I/O Path : IOService:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/SATA@1F,2/AppleIntelPchSeriesAHCI/PRT0@0/IOAHCIDevice@0/AppleAHCIDiskDriver/IOAHCIBlockStorageDevice
Attributes Data Structure Revision : 10
SMART Command Transport (SCT) flags : 0x10bd
SCT Status supported : yes
SCT Feature Control supported : yes
SCT Data Table supported : yes
Error logging capabilities : 0x1
Self-tests supported : yes
Offline Data Collection capabilities : 0x73
Offline Data Collection status : 0x0
Auto Offline Data Collection flags : 0x0
[Known device ]: yes
[Drive State Flags ]: 0x0


=== CURRENT POWER CYCLE STATISTICS ===
Data Read : 8.2 GB
Data Written : 5.7 GB
Data Read/Write Ratio : 1.44
Average Throughput (Read) : 6.6 MB/s
Average Throughput (Write) : 5.0 MB/s

Operations (Read) : 224.750
Operations (Write) : 98.622
Operations Read/Write Ratio : 2
Throughput per operation (Read) : 38.2 KB/Op
Throughput per operation (Write) : 60.3 KB/Op

Latency Time (Read) : 0 ns
Latency Time (Write) : 0 ns
Retries (Read) : 0
Retries (Write) : 0
Errors (Read) : 0
Errors (Write) : 0


=== PROBLEMS SUMMARY ===
Failed Indicators (life-span / pre-fail) : 0 (0 / 0)
Failing Indicators (life-span / pre-fail) : 0 (0 / 0)
Warnings (life-span / pre-fail) : 0 (0 / 0)
Recently failed Self-tests (Short / Full) : 0 (0 / 0)
I/O Error Count : 0 (0 / 0)
Time in Under temperature : 0 minutes
Time in Over temperature : 0 minutes


=== IMPORTANT HEALTH INDICATORS ===
ID NAME RAW VALUE STATUS
5 Reallocated Sector Count 0 100% OK
187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors 0 100% OK
197 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100% OK
198 Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100% OK
199 UDMA CRC Error Count 0 100% OK
241 Total LBAs Written 1.241.930.011 (592.2 GB) 100% OK


=== TEMPERATURE INFORMATION (CELSIUS) ===
Current Temperature : 33
Power Cycle Min Temperature : 25
Power Cycle Max Temperature : 33
Lifetime Min Temperature : 16
Lifetime Max Temperature : 49
Recommended Min Temperature : 3
Recommended Max Temperature : 62
Temperature Min Limit : 0
Temperature Max Limit : 65


=== DRIVE HEALTH INDICATORS ===
ID | NAME | TYPE | UPDATE | RAW VALUE | VALUE | THRESHOLD | WORST | LAST MODIFIED | STATUS
1 Raw Read Error Rate Pre-fail online 0xE71D2A0 120 6 99 - 100% OK
3 Spin Up Time Pre-fail online 0 97 0 97 - 97.0% OK
4 Start Stop Count Life-span online 256 100 20 100 - 100% OK
5 Reallocated Sector Count Pre-fail online 0 100 36 100 - 100% OK
7 Seek Error Rate Pre-fail online 0x40BF92 66 30 60 - 100% OK
9 Power On Hours Life-span online 66 100 0 100 - 100% OK
10 Spin Retry Count Pre-fail online 0 100 97 100 - 100% OK
12 Power Cycle Count Life-span online 555 100 20 100 - 100% OK
184 End-to-End Error Life-span online 0 100 99 100 - 100% OK
187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
188 Command Timeout Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
189 High Fly Writes Life-span online 4 96 0 96 - 100% OK
190 Airflow Temperature Celsius Life-span online 34 66 45 51 - 38.2% OK
191 G-Sense Error Rate Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
192 Power-Off Retract Count Life-span online 23 100 0 100 - 100% OK
193 Load Cycle Count Life-span online 555 100 0 100 - 100% OK
194 Temperature (Celsius) Life-span online 34 66 35 51 - 47.7% OK
197 Current Pending Sector Count Life-span online 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
198 Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count Life-span offline 0 100 0 100 - 100% OK
199 UDMA CRC Error Count Life-span online 0 200 0 200 - 100% OK
240 Head Flying Hours Life-span offline 87 100 0 253 - 100% OK
241 Total LBAs Written Life-span offline 1.241.930.011 (592.2 GB) 100 0 253 - 100% OK
242 Total LBAs Read Life-span offline 153.685.472.835 (71.6 TB) 100 0 253 - 100% OK



=== DRIVE ERROR LOG ===
error log is empty


=== DRIVE SELF-TEST LOG ===
# | LIFETIME (H) | TEST TYPE | PROGRESS | STATUS | LBA of 1st error
1 66 Short offline 100% Completed without error -

 

[Piet84]

Ich würde eine externe SSD für das Betriebssystem verwenden. Die gibt es für relativ kleines Geld - 128 GB würden ja schon reichen - und die interne HDD lässt sich als Speicher ja weiter verwenden für die größeren Dateien. Egal, ob mit der HDD alles in Ordnung ist oder sie aus irgendwelchen Gründen besonders langsam läuft - eine SSD lohnt in jedem Fall.

Allerdings reizen nicht alle SSDs die maximal mögliche Geschwindigkeit über USB3 aus. Ich habe gute Erfahrungen mit Samsung-SSDs gemacht, 500 GB kosten ab ca. 85€ (Modell T5).

 

[Promis]

Nun, der Kumpel hat High Sierra drauf und die Festplatte ist mit Journaled HFS+ formatiert. Du hast Mojave drauf und die Platte ist mit APFS formatiert. Ich habe das nicht mehr richtig im Gedächtnis, aber APFS auf normalen HDs soll ziemlich langsam sein. Außerdem dachte ich, dass drehende Festplatten nicht mit APFS formatiert werden. Kann mich aber täuschen.
APFS ist auf SSDs zugeschnitten. Also entweder Downgrade auf High Sierra und Format Journaled HFS+ oder eine SSD anschaffen.

Und du kannst mal nachsehen, was die Aktivitätsanzeige unter CPU so anzeigt (bitte unter "Darstellung" "Alle Prozessen" anhaken und die Spalte "% CPU" absteigend sortieren).

 

[YoshuaThree]

APFS und mechanische Platte ist keine gute Idee. Nur mal das Forum oder Internet durchsuchen - das führt immer zu einem langsamen System...

 

[Snake566977]

APFS und HDD gab es mal was, das stimmt. Das OS Upgrade hat diesen Schritt damals durchgeführt.

Ich hatte gestern noch das Windows 10 via Bootcamp gestartet, das lief eigentlich wie es soll. (gut, natürlich nicht SSD Niveau)

Heute dann noch Flash deinstalliert und dann war noch ein Safari 14 Update, welches sogar Updates noch beim Booten eingespielt hat.

Ich muss das jetzt noch testen, aber es scheint als das seit dem Update der iMac wieder aus den puschen kommt.
Hoffe das es das jetzt ist.

Nichts desto trotz hab ich die Idee mit der externe SSD mit genommen, gerade der Aufwand für den Einbau fand ich immer hämmernd. Aber mit einer externen SSD gäbe es da eine auch bezahlbare Möglichkeit.

Erklärlich ist das alles für mich nicht.