iMac extrem langsam ...

[frank.lukas]

Unser 27" iMac 12,2 von 2011 ist extrem langsam ...

Wenn man zum Beispiel den Programme Ordner öffnet erscheint zuerst nur eine Programm Datei und nach einigen Sekunden Wartedauer der Rest. Der Rechner lief unter OSX 10.7.5 Lion mit der Adobe CS6 Suite. Sonst war nichts weiter Installiert. Es sind noch jede Menge Schriften teils von alten Systemen ala OS 7,8 und 9 installiert die zum Arbeiten gebraucht werden.

Wegen dem Zwang mit den Arbeiten neuere Programmversionen zu unterstützen und in die Could zu gehen ist ein Update auf macOS Sierra gemacht worden. Es wurde mit dem Deinstall Programm von Adobe die CS6 gelöscht und die Adobe CC Suite installiert. Man kann jetzt zwar Arbeiten aber sehr langsam und schön ist es nicht ...

EtreCheck lief vor dem Update auf Sierra und es war ausser dem ganzen Adobe Zeug nichts weiter zu sehen ...

Mein Mini von 2012 ebenfalls mit i5 läuft um Welten flüssiger mit Sierra. Der iMac hat 16GB Ram und keine SSD. Ein Update mit SSD kommt auch nicht in Frage.


Was kann man da machen damit die Maschine flüssiger läuft ?

 

[Macbeatnik]

Zeig doch mal einen aktuellen etrecheck Bericht, vielleicht übersiehst du etwas.
Lasse dir auch den Smartreport in etrecheck anzeigen und poste auch den.

 

[frank.lukas]

Hier mal der EtreCheck log jetzt mit Sierra ...

Problem: Computer is too slow

Hardware Information: ⓘ
    iMac (27-inch, Mid 2011)
    [Technical Specifications] - [User Guide] - [Warranty & Service]
    iMac - model: iMac12,2
    1 2,7 GHz Intel Core i5 (i5-2500S) CPU: 4-core
    16 GB RAM Upgradeable - [Instructions]
        BANK 0/DIMM0
            8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok
        BANK 1/DIMM0
            8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok
        BANK 0/DIMM1
            Empty   
        BANK 1/DIMM1
            Empty   
    Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported
    Wireless:  en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n

Video Information: ⓘ
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M - VRAM: 512 MB
        iMac 2560 x 1440

Disk Information: ⓘ
    WDC WD1001FALS-403AA0 disk0: (1 TB) (Rotational)
    [Show SMART report]
        EFI (disk0s1 - MS-DOS FAT32) <not mounted>  [EFI]: 210 MB
        Macintosh HD (disk0s2 - Journaled HFS+) /  [Startup]: 999.35 GB (471.33 GB free)
        Recovery HD (disk0s3 - Journaled HFS+) <not mounted>  [Recovery]: 650 MB

    OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5690H  ()

USB Information: ⓘ
     USB20Bus
        Apple Inc. FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
         hub_device
            Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub
                Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller
     USB20Bus
         hub_device
            SMI Technology Intenso Ultra Line
            Logitech USB Receiver
            Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver
            Apple Card Reader

Thunderbolt Information: ⓘ
    Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

System Software: ⓘ
    macOS Sierra  10.12.6 (16G29) - Time since boot: about 6 hours

Gatekeeper: ⓘ
    Anywhere [Fix Gatekeeper security]

System Launch Agents: ⓘ
    [not loaded]    7 Apple tasks
    [loaded]    177 Apple tasks
    [running]    98 Apple tasks

System Launch Daemons: ⓘ
    [not loaded]    41 Apple tasks
    [loaded]    173 Apple tasks
    [running]    103 Apple tasks

Launch Agents: ⓘ
    [not loaded]    com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [failed]    com.adobe.ARMDCHelper.cc24aef4a1b90ed56a725c38014c95072f92651fb65e1bf9c8e43c37a23d420d.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [running]    com.adobe.AdobeCreativeCloud.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [running]    com.brother.LOGINserver.plist (? a1772de2 41ad4933 - installed 2015-06-27) [Lookup]

Launch Daemons: ⓘ
    [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.Communicator.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.SMJobBlessHelper.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [running]    com.adobe.adobeupdatedaemon.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [running]    com.adobe.agsservice.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-05-29) [Lookup]
    [loaded]    com.adobe.fpsaud.plist (? 2afb3af7 85012398 - installed 2017-07-25) [Lookup]

User Launch Agents: ⓘ
    [failed]    amUpdater.plist (Ruben Messier - installed 2016-08-09) [Lookup]
    [loaded]    com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    [loaded]    com.dropbox.DropboxMacUpdate.agent.plist (Dropbox, Inc. - installed 2017-08-11) [Lookup]
    [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist (Google, Inc. - installed 2017-07-10) [Lookup]

User Login Items: ⓘ
    iTunesHelper    Programm (? 0 - installed 2017-08-13)
        (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)
    Dropbox    Programm
        (/Applications/Dropbox.app)
    Google Drive    Programm
        (/Applications/Google Drive.app)
    AdobeResourceSynchronizer    Programm - Hidden
        (/Applications/Adobe Acrobat DC/Adobe Acrobat.app/Contents/Helpers/AdobeResourceSynchronizer.app)

Internet Plug-ins: ⓘ
    AdobeAAMDetect: 3.0.0.0 (installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]
    FlashPlayer-10.6: 26.0.0.151 (installed 2017-08-09) [Lookup]
    QuickTime Plugin: 7.7.3 (installed 2017-08-13)
    AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: 17.009.20058 (installed 2017-07-03) [Lookup]
    AdobePDFViewer: 17.009.20058 (installed 2017-07-03) [Lookup]
    Flash Player: 26.0.0.151 (installed 2017-08-09) [Lookup]
    Silverlight: 5.1.41212.0 (installed 2016-03-14) [Lookup]
    JavaAppletPlugin: 15.0.1 (installed 2012-07-04) Check version

3rd Party Preference Panes: ⓘ
    Flash Player (installed 2017-07-25) [Lookup]

Time Machine: ⓘ
    Skip System Files: NO
    Auto backup: YES
    Volumes being backed up:
        Macintosh HD: Disk size: 999.35 GB Disk used: 528.02 GB
    Destinations:
        Seagate 4TB [Local]
        Total size: 0 B
        Total number of backups: 5
        Oldest backup: 13.08.17, 05:47
        Last backup: 13.08.17, 09:27
        Size of backup disk: Too small
            Backup size 0 B < (Disk used 528.02 GB X 3)

Top Processes by CPU: ⓘ
         2%       WindowServer
         1%       kernel_task
         0%       Adobe CEF Helper
         0%       Creative Cloud
         0%       fontd

Top Processes by Memory: ⓘ
    1.15 GB       kernel_task
    227 MB        Google Drive
    213 MB        Dropbox
    194 MB        Finder
    169 MB        mds_stores

Top Processes by Network Use: ⓘ
    Input         Output        Process name
    423 KB        516 KB        Dropbox
    411 KB        230 KB        mDNSResponder
    15 KB         16 KB         ntpd
    11 KB         10 KB         apsd
    1 KB          558 B         netbiosd

Top Processes by Energy Use: ⓘ
      4.54    WindowServer
      0.72    Adobe CEF Helper
      0.48    Creative Cloud
      0.34    Core Sync

Virtual Memory Information: ⓘ
    8.10 GB       Available RAM
    3.86 GB       Free RAM
    7.90 GB       Used RAM
    4.24 GB       Cached files
    0 B           Swap Used

Software installs: ⓘ
    Adobe Flash Player:  (installed 2017-08-09)
    Fotor Photo Editor: 3.3.1 (installed 2017-08-14)
    Adobe Acrobat DC (Continuous):  (installed 2017-08-14)

    Install information may not be complete.

Diagnostics Information: ⓘ
    2017-08-15 15:25:58    Adobe InDesign CC 2017.app Crash [Open]
        Cause:        abort() called
        *** error for object 0x7fa6dbe5cb68: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed.
    2017-08-15 09:07:56    Archive Manager.app Crash [Open]
        Cause:        *** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[__NSCFBoolean isEqualToString:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x101133738'
        terminating with uncaught exception of type NSException
        abort() called
    2017-08-15 09:03:49    Last shutdown cause: 0 - Power loss
    2017-08-14 22:20:13    Adobe Illustrator.app High CPU use [Open] [Details]
    2017-08-14 14:40:29    Adobe Acrobat.app Crash [Open]
    2017-08-14 13:49:39    Siri.app Crash [Open]
    2017-08-13 20:00:21    Adobe InDesign CS6.app Hang [Open]
    2017-08-13 19:47:42    Adobe Application Manager.app Hang [Open]
    2017-08-13 12:54:17    fpsaud Crash [Open]
        Cause:        dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
    2017-08-13 12:52:08    ReportCrash Crash [Open]
        Cause:        dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
    2017-08-13 12:52:08    mtmd Crash [Open]
        Cause:        dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
    2017-08-12 21:16:21    iTunes.app Crash [Open]
        Cause:        objc[290]: garbage collection is OFF
        *** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[__NSCFDictionary setObject:forKey:]: attempt to insert nil key'
        *** First throw call stack:
        (
        0   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff91990f56 __exceptionPreprocess + 198
        1   libobjc.A.dylib                     0x00007fff91ad8d5e objc_exception_throw + 43
        2   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff91990d8a +[NSException raise:format:arguments:] + 106
        3   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff91990d14 +[NSException raise:format:] + 116
        4   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff9194dc0c -[__NSCFDictionary setObject:forKey:] + 156
        5   WebKit                              0x00007fff9848633d -[WebHistoryPrivate visitedURL:withTitle:increaseVisitCount:] + 237
        6   WebKit                              0x00007fff984860df -[WebHistory(WebInternal) _visitedURL:withTitle:method:wasFailure:increaseVisitCount:] + 63
        7   WebKit                              0x00007fff98449884 _ZN20WebFrameLoaderClient19updateGlobalHistoryEv + 710
        8   WebCore                             0x00007fff93115f06 _ZN7WebCore17HistoryController12replaceStateEN3WTF10PassRefPtrINS_21SerializedScriptValueEEERKNS1_6StringES7_ + 360
        9   WebCore                             0x00007fff93115af8 _ZN7WebCore7History16stateObjectAddedEN3WTF10PassRefPtrINS_21SerializedScriptValueEEERKNS1_6StringES7_NS0_15StateObjectTypeERi + 168
        10  WebCore                             0x00007fff93115996 _ZN7WebCore9JSHistory12replaceStateEPN3JSC9ExecStateE + 350
        11  WebCore                             0x00007fff93115832 _ZN7WebCore38jsHistoryPrototypeFunctionReplaceStateEPN3JSC9ExecStateE + 82
        12  ???                                 0x000042d59b801218 0x0 + 73485204328984
        13  JavaScriptCore                      0x00007fff8dbabc1a _ZN3JSC11Interpreter11executeCallEPNS_9ExecStateEPNS_8JSObjectENS_8CallTypeERKNS_8CallDataENS_7JSValueERKNS_7ArgListE + 826
        )

 

[frank.lukas]

Was ist das ->

[failed] com.adobe.ARMDCHelper.cc24aef4a1b90ed56a725c38014c95072f92651fb65e1bf9c8e43c37a23d420d.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2017-08-14) [Lookup]

Und was ist das? Gehört das auch zur Adobe Suite? ->

[failed] amUpdater.plist (Ruben Messier - installed 2016-08-09) [Lookup]

 

[frank.lukas]

Smart Status ...

smartctl 6.5 2016-05-07 r4318 [Darwin 16.7.0 x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-16, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Caviar Black
Device Model:     WDC WD1001FALS-403AA0
Serial Number:    WD-WCATR8419197
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2b0d21e6d
Firmware Version: 06.01D02
User Capacity:    1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 2.6, 3.0 Gb/s
Local Time is:    Tue Aug 15 16:10:50 2017 CEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82)    Offline data collection activity
                    was completed without error.
                    Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                    without error or no self-test has ever
                    been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         (17760) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:              (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                    Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                    Suspend Offline collection upon new
                    command.
                    Offline surface scan supported.
                    Self-test supported.
                    Conveyance Self-test supported.
                    Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                    power-saving mode.
                    Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                    General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:      ( 205) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:            (0xb037)    SCT Status supported.
                    SCT Feature Control supported.
                    SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   178   175   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       4083
 4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   096   096   000    Old_age   Always       -       4399
 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   074   074   000    Old_age   Always       -       19126
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       2714
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       259
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   199   199   000    Old_age   Always       -       4139
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   099   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       48
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x0036   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
   1        0        0  Not_testing
   2        0        0  Not_testing
   3        0        0  Not_testing
   4        0        0  Not_testing
   5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
 After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

Der Rechner war aber schon seit Beginn an so langsam auch unter Lion mit der Adobe CS6 Suite ...

 

[Wuchtbrumme]

die Festplatte scheint ok. Aber einen Geschwindigkeitspreis gewinnt sie nie.

 

[Macbeatnik]

Dieser amupdater wird zum Active Manager gehören, den musst du installiert haben.
Ansonsten, die Festplatte ist wie oben erwähnt wohl nicht defekt, und da HDD, von der Geschwindigkeit her kein Vergleich zu einer SSD.
Was auffällt sind die laufend abstürzenden verschiedenen Prozesse und Programme.

 

[frank.lukas]

Meinst du die EtreCheck Einträge ganz am Ende des log mit "laufend abstürzenden verschiedenen Prozesse und Programme" ... ?

Was kann man dagegen tun ?

 

[frank.lukas]

Eine SSD kommt erstmal nicht in Frage da wir selber nicht an dem Rechner rumbasteln wollen und Gravis verlangt für eine 500GB SSD mit Einbau knapp 420,- Euro. Es sei denn jemand kennt im Kreis 46xxx Borken oder Münster eine günstige und gute Möglichkeit. Über 400,- Euro, das lohnt fast nicht mehr ...

 

[Macbeatnik]

Was kann man dagegen tun ?

Das ist aus der Ferne schwer zu sagen, interessant wären da die einzelnen Logs, die dort dann den Fehler beschreiben, eventuell gibt es da Gemeinsamkeiten und man könnte den Verursacher finden.